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File: Private Copying 2003-2004
Objections to Interrogatories
From: Canadian Private Copying Collective (the
"CPCC")
To: ASAP-CD/Pitt ("ASAP/Pitt")
Date: June 14, 2002
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatory #4:
- Are any CPCC staff, management and/or executives paid any bonus
or commission or other incrementally increased remuneration based on
either the total levy collected in any period, or on the success of
any proposal to levy, or on any other basis which is influenced by the
outcome of the levy proposal process?
CPCC Objection:
While the CPCC is prepared to advise ASAP/Pitt that no
such arrangements exist, even if they did, any such arrangements would not
be relevant to the current proceeding before the Board.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #6, #7 and #8:
- Are there other collecting bodies involved in collecting royalties
and/or fees for use of copyright music in Canada?
- If the answer to 6 is yes, what is the relationship of CPCC to each
of these other bodies?
- If the answer to 6 is yes, please detail what they collect (total
amounts per customer category will do), who they collect it from
(broad customer categories will do), and what basis they collect it
including fee/royalty schedules (as provided to payees in the course
of explaining what, if anything, is due, and why).
CPCC Objection:
The information requested in these interrogatories is not
relevant to the current proceeding. Further, the information requested in
Interrogatory #8 would be onerous to compile, as well as being of no
relevance to the current proceeding.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #10 to #24 inclusive:
- What is CPCC’s understanding of the similarities and/or
differences between copying which takes place in the course of playing
digital versions of music due to the processes necessitated by the
digital nature of the technology, and copying for which CPCC seeks
"compensation in respect of" under section {81} of the
Copyright Act?
- Does music have to be created in an analogue medium in order for it
to be considered music? If the answer is no, is there any restriction
on how music is created in order for it to qualify as
"music" under the Copyright act?
- Is it possible that sound which has been created based upon
mathematical formulae might constitute music? (Moog is such an
example)
- Does sound which embodies a section of repeated similar but subtly
different notes and/or sounds still constitute music?
- If a medium contains an ordered and reproducible stream of digital
bits, is it blank?
- What is the difference between the ordered and reproducible bits
which make up a music track expressed as a digitized stream of bits,
and the ordered and reproducible stream of bits which is impressed
upon a disk when it is formatted for use in a computer for storing
data of unknown type?
- What is the difference between the ordered and reproducible bits
which make up a music track expressed as a digitized stream of bits,
and the ordered and reproducible stream of bits which is impressed
upon a Flash RAM when it is formatted for use in a computer for
storing data of unknown type?
- What happens to the music when CD media is returned to its
"raw" form (which happens to require heating)
- What happens to the music when a Random Access Memory card is
removed from its power source?
- What is the difference between what happens to the music in the
previous 2 questions above, and what happens to the music in the
process of moving digital data from a retail-purchased CD work, though
to Random Access Memory (used for example to buffer the music in
portable CD players to eliminate track skipping) and through to the
Digital Signal Processor and its associated memory for decoding to
analogue prior to amplification?
- If there is no difference noted in the previous question above, why
is CPCC not proposing a levy on CD players similar to the one on MP3
players and other media which might be used to copy music?
- What happens to the music when a CD-RW or DVD-RW (which had
previously been used to copy music) is erased?
- How is this (what happens in the previous question above) different
from what happens to the music copied to the RAM in the process of
playing music in a portable CD player?
- How is this (what happens in the question prior to the one above)
different from what happens to the music copied to intermediate
storage (disk or RAM) in the process of a radio station using computer
technology to play music?
- What is the difference to the listener between playing music
from a CD juke-box with 100 disks in it, using the technology built
into it to choose only certain tracks and their playing order, and
playing a CD-R created by the use of copying to create a
"mix" of chosen music?
CPCC Objection:
All of these interrogatories are of a theoretical and
abstract nature, and are of no possible relevance to the current
proceeding.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #25 and #26:
- Does any agency or organization collect a royalty anywhere in the
world from any commercial venture which has as its basis or as
surcharge the order which music selections are play in?
- What, in CPCC’s understanding, is the definition of "tied
selling" under the laws of Canada?
CPCC Objection:
Neither of these questions has any apparent relevance to
the current proceeding.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #27 and #28:
- In light of the answers to the previous 2 questions above, what is
CPCC’s position on value added, if any by a private individual
creating or imposing a custom "mix" of owned music by any
technology whatever for their own use in playing music?
- What % of copying by individuals is done in a fashion where it does
not fall under the strict meaning of the wording of the Copyright Act
section {80} (i.e. what % of copying by individuals is done with the
intention of giving or selling the resulting copy to another
individual – in other words is illegal according to the Act?) How
did you arrive at this amount?
CPCC Objection:
To the extent that any information responsive to either of
these interrogatories may be available to the CPCC, such information has
been gathered in preparation for the presentation of the CPCC’s case at
the end of August. Such information is protected by litigation privilege.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #30, #31 and #32:
- What is CPCC’s understanding of the Copyright Act’s provisions
for "private study" as it relates to music?
- Does CPCC propose that the amounts collected by levy compensate
"in respect of" copying which is done for "private
study"?
- If the answer to 29 above is "no", what %offset does CPCC
propose to lower the levy amount by in respect of "private
study"?
CPCC Objection:
The provisions of the Copyright Act with respect
to private study are not relevant to the current proceeding. Private
study is a defence against infringement. However, private copying does
not constitute an infringement of copyright, and therefore the concept
is not relevant.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatory #33:
- What, in the opinion of CPCC is the difference between copying music
in the process of playing it via digital means, and copying music as
relates to "compensation in respect of" under part {81} of
the act?
CPCC Objection:
CPCC is unable to answer this question because its
meaning is unclear. It also seeks a legal opinion, which is
objectionable.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #34, #35, #36 and #37:
- What, in the opinion of CPCC justifies the large difference between
the proposed levy amounts and the amounts applied in similar
situations in the United States? (i.e. 3% of value across the board)
- What, in the opinion of CPCC justifies the possibility (probability)
that any individual might pay more in levy under this proposal than
they could possibly incur in royalties under present schedules by
listening to streaming audio via legitimate Internet radio?
- What was the % of use of pre-recorded Audio Tapes (as opposed to
records) for playing music and % of copies made of Audio Tapes before
CD's were available.
- What is the % used of CD-R's for non-music copying vs music copying.
What is your source for this information? Supply the same information
for CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW and Flash, RAM and micro-hard disk add-ons.
CPCC Objection:
Any information that is available that would be responsive
to these interrogatories is being prepared as part of the development of
the CPCC’s case, which will be filed at the end of August. As a result,
such information is protected by litigation privilege. However, a
preliminary statement of the CPCC’s position has been filed with the
Copyright Board, and is available on the Board’s website.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #39 and #40:
- Besides packaging, what is the technical difference between CD-R and
CD-R Audio?
- Besides the fact that it is advertised as being a portable MP3
player, what is the difference in functional capabilities between an
Apple iPOD and any laptop computer with a recent Microsoft operating
system, built-in speakers and sound card?
CPCC Objection:
The information requested is not relevant to determining
what media should be categorized as blank audio recording media on the
basis of the definition in Part VIII of the Copyright Act, nor is
it relevant to establishing the appropriate amount of the levies.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #41 to #56 inclusive:
- How much music does the average Canadian listen to each day? Of
this, how much is from a royalty-paid source? Of the balance, how much
is from owned (retail) music publications? What is the source of your
information?
- Does the purchase of a retail CD, tape, record entitle a private
individual to listen to the music on the medium a limited number of
times or an unlimited number of times? If limited, please be specific
on what is the limiting factor. Is there a limit as to where and when
the private individual might listen to the music? Is there any limit
to how the individual may listen to the music with respect to what
technology they use, who makes it, what it consists of, how loud, how
well it is reproduced, etc?
- What is the difference to the listener between a private
individual owner of a music CD listening to that music via their CD
player, and the same private individual listening to the exact same
music via Digital Audio Broadcast on their new DAB radio?
- What is the difference to the artist between a private
individual owner of a music CD listening to that music via their CD
player, and the same private individual listening to the exact same
music via Digital Audio Broadcast on their new DAB radio?
- To each of the listener and artist, what is the difference between a
private individual owner of a music CD listening to 3 chosen
selections via the technology in their CD player, and the same
individual requesting a streaming Internet site to play the same
selection of music, and listening to it via wireless Internet
connection via their IEEE-802.11 equipped Apple iPOD?
- To each of the listener and artist(s), what is the difference
between:
a private individual owner of a music CD library and a CD juke-box
player with the audio output connected to an wireless speaker system
in their house which uses 802.11 wireless technology to transmit the
digitized sound to the next room
and
a private individual owner of a music CD library and a CD juke-box
player with the audio output connected to a Virtual Private Network
(encrypted so nobody except the individual can know what is being
transmitted) over the Internet to where that private individual is
listening in a hotel room 1000 miles away from their home?
- Noting that the technologies described in the two questions above
all involve and require due to the technologies involved the use of
copying in the playing of music to some extent (and significant
copying in some situations) what is the difference between that
described in the two questions above and the same private individual
owner of a music CD library creating a compilation CD to take with
them to listen in their hotel room 1000 miles from their home?
- Does the purchase of a retail CD, tape, record entitle a private
individual to play the music on the medium in the company of others?
Is there a limit to how many others? Is there a limit to where and
when? Is any limit documented to the purchaser in the form of a
license at the time of purchase, or is it statutory (enshrined in the
laws of Canada)? If statutory, please give reference and details. If
documented at the time of sale, please give example/sample wording.
- How many times does the average music customer listen to each of the
average music tracks on a purchased CD, tape, record or other music
distribution medium within the lifetime of that medium? What is the
source of your information?
- What is the % breakdown in retail and re-manufacturing packaging
quantities of CD media sold by manufacturers and importers of levied
media? (example: what % are single CD-R packages, 10-packs, 25-packs,
100-packs, cartons with no printing, as might be identified by
different Stock Keeping Units (SKU) in an inventory system, etc.)
- How many individual, different, music tracks are there in the
Canadian copyright jurisdiction? What is your source of information?
- At "Normal" digitizing rates, how much storage is needed
to hold a single copy of every different music track in the Canadian
copyright jurisdiction?
- How many music tracks did the average Canadian purchase each year
(from 1960) prior to the wide-spread availability of digital copying
technology (1995)?
- What were the sales volumes (number of retail CDs sold) in each
major category of popular music (Rock, POP, Country, etc.) for each of
the top 10 selections in each category for the past 20 years?
- Are sales of the top 10 selections in each category going up, down,
or remaining steady year over year? Be specific for each one.
- What are the last 50 sales records for an individual album of any
type over each normally tracked period. Show total sales for each past
sales record holder, the period for which the sales record relates,
and the date when the sales record was recognized. ("sales
record" means the point at which the total sales volume for a
period surpassed the total sales volume in a similar period for any
other previous album. Periods include but are not limited to: first
day, first week, first month, first year, and album life) Example is
recent (June 2, 2002) Eminem "The Eminem Show" first weekend
(2 day) sales of 284,534 copies which is touted as a sales record.
CPCC Objection:
Much of the information requested in these interrogatories
is not available, and none of it is relevant to the current proceeding.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #60 to #66 inclusive:
- What is the minimum per-track royalty paid to an artist?
- What is the maximum per-track royalty paid to an artist?
- What is the median per-track royalty paid to an artist?
- What is the average per-track royalty paid to an artist?
- Are there any deductions or reductions of the above per-track
royalty amounts which might be, or routinely are, deducted from the
gross amount paid, other than normal personal or corporate taxes?
(i.e. if sales targets are not met for example)
- Does CPCC propose that revenue from the levy also be used to
compensate "in respect of" copying in the technology used in
the Internet during music reception not recorded to CD-R or other
proposed levy media?
- What is CPCC’s estimate of the number of MP3 players containing
each of the levied media which will be sold in Canada in the proposed
levy period? What is your source for this information?
CPCC Objection:
Any current information that may be available that would
be responsive to these interrogatories is being developed for use in the
presentation of the CPCC’s case at the end of August. Such information
is subject to litigation privilege.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #67 and #68:
- What, in the opinion of CPCC, is the difference between an owner of
a portable MP3 player with 64 Megabytes of RAM downloading a different
mix of music each day of the year for playing, and the owner of an
Apple iPOD with 10 Gigabyte disk downloading exactly the same number
and titles of songs once at the beginning of the year and listening
all year?
- Is the result of "ripping" a retail CD music track to a
digital stream encoded as MPEG2 layer 3 (aka MP3) bit stream capable
of being re-encoded in standard CD music format such that the result
of this 2 stage process is identical digitally to the original bits
encoded on the retail CD music track?
CPCC Objection:
The information requested is not relevant to the current
proceeding.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #69 to #76 inclusive:
- If the answer to the previous question is no, how can CPCC
characterize the "ripping" process as copying since it does
not produce an exact copy?
- What is CPCC’s estimate of the number of each type of proposed
levy add-on media (Flash, RAM, micro-hard disk) which will be sold in
Canada in the levy period? What is your source for this information?
- How many digital cameras which use proposed levied media will be
sold in Canada during the proposed levy period?
- How many consumer-grade (purchase price less than $2000.00) digital
cameras are there in Canada to date?
- What is the average size of storage media included with digital
cameras sold in Canada?
- What % of purchasers of digital cameras purchase additional storage
at the time of purchase of the camera?
- How many CD media are used by the photo processing industry to
deliver digital copies of consumer or industrial photographs at the
time of film processing in Canada? What is the source of your
information?
- What is the trend in use of CD media in delivering digitized copies
of consumer or industrial photographs by photo processing businesses
over the proposed levy period?
CPCC Objection:
Any information that may be available to the CPCC that
would be responsive to these interrogatories has been assembled as part
of the development of the CPCC’s case and is subject to litigation
privilege. However, it should also be noted that much of the information
requested is not available to the CPCC and has no possible relevance to
the current proceeding.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #77, #78 and #79:
- How many businesses in Canada create non-music copies of digital
data on levied CD media and how many of each levied CD media do they
use?
- What is the growth trend in this business sector for the proposed
levy period?
- What impact on the purchasing habits of Canadians does CPCC expect
the proposed levy will cause for each of the media? What is the source
of your information?
CPCC Objection:
The information requested has no possible relevance to
the current proceeding and is not available. The evidence the Board
requires in this proceeding is evidence with respect to the percentage
of the media on which a levy is proposed that are purchased by
individuals and the percentage of all copying by individuals on each
such medium that is accounted for by recorded music.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #80, #81 and #82:
- Please provide the results of any research into Canadian private
individual Internet purchasing trends and habits with respect to the
proposed levy media.
- If CPCC has not done any research into Internet (or mail-order)
purchase of the levied media from outside of Canada, please explain
why. Provide any notes or meeting transcripts at which this subject
was discussed.
- What impact on the total levy amount collected for each medium does
CPCC expect changes in purchasing habits of Canadians as answered in
the previous question above will cause?
CPCC Objection:
Any information that may be available to the CPCC that
would be responsive to these interrogatories is being assembled as part
of the development of the CPCC’s case and will be filed, as required,
at the end of August.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatory #84:
- Has there been any consultation between the CPCC and individual
artists on previous levy settings and their effects? Provide notes
and/or transcripts.
CPCC Objection:
The CPCC is prepared to respond to the first part of the
question, but objects to providing notes and transcripts, on the basis
that they are not relevant to the current proceeding and would be
unnecessarily intrusive into the private management of the copyright
collectives. The boards of directors of all of the member collectives of
the CPCC are responsible to their rightsholder members.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatory #85:
- Was there any consultation prior to its filing with the Copyright
board, between the CPCC and individual artists on the currently
proposed levy amounts and their effects? Provide notes and/or
transcripts.
CPCC Objection:
The CPCC objects to providing notes and/or transcripts
on the grounds that they are not relevant to the current proceeding and,
if available, would constitute an unnecessary intrusion into the
relationship between the collectives and the members they represent. The
accountability relationship is a direct one between the collectives and
the rightsholders on whose behalf they are acting.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #86 to #90 inclusive:
- From the report dated 2000-2001: Please provide the sources (names
of research companies with contact information) from where the data
was created for the following statements:
Pg 19 - Consumers purchased 45% of all CD-Rs and CD-RWs
56% were used to make private copies (music or all copies?) please break
apart the audio and remainder from this %
Pg 26 - 4th paragraph: Such a scheme has to rely on a
rough estimates... (how was this rough estimate sourced?
- Please provide examples of currently available retail technology
which may be used to listen to music on a DVD player? List the
manufacture(s) that make a DVD player that can copy and/or play music.
- What are the projected sales numbers for DVD recorders capable of
copying just music for 2003 and 2004?
- What % of these will be add-ons for computers?
- What % of these will be sold only as part of a video system (camera,
TV, VCR, etc.) where the ability to record music is either
non-existent, or incidental and not the prime function.
CPCC Objection:
Any information that may be available that would be
responsive to these interrogatories is being assembled as part of the
development of the CPCC’s case and is subject to litigation privilege. A
significant portion of the information that would be both responsive to
these interrogatories and relevant to the current proceeding is being
gathered through the current interrogatory process, and is not yet
available to the CPCC.
ASAP-CD/Pitt Interrogatories #94 and #95:
- Does CPCC expect to propose to extend the range of levied media to
include media normally used in desktop and/or server computer systems
of any kind at any time in the future? If not, why not? If so, when?
- Does CPCC plan to propose in the future that the levy amounts
collected extend to "in respect of" any or all electronic
copying done during the playing of music, regardless of how long the
copy persists or why it is necessitated? If so, when. If not, why not?
CPCC Objection:
These interrogatories are not relevant to the current
proceeding. The decisions the Board must make in the current proceeding
are focussed on the determination of whether the media to which the CPCC
has asked the Board to extend the levy are blank audio recording media as
defined in the Copyright Act, and, if so, what should be the amount
of the levy with respect to each such medium.
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